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PostPosted: Wed 7/22/20 11:58 am    Post subject: Angels 2020 Reply with quote

I'm going to start this one. The Angels open their 2020 season in Oakland on Friday night.
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PostPosted: Thu 7/23/20 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck to the Angels.
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PostPosted: Thu 7/23/20 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Mike Trout is still here!
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PostPosted: Mon 7/27/20 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Ohtani looked horrible in his first game pitched in over a year.
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PostPosted: Tue 7/28/20 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After losing three of four in Oakland to start the mini-season, the Angels will play their home opener tonight, hosting the Mariners. Silver linings, Griffin Canning struck out seven in the series finale but only went 4- 2/3, giving up all three runs in a 3-0 loss, with four hits and two BBs. It was the first time Canning had pitched in a major league game since last August, when he was shut down with elbow problems, which reared their ugly collective head in winter training this year.
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PostPosted: Thu 7/30/20 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angels won their home opener, then lost the second game to the Mariners.
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PostPosted: Fri 7/31/20 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw Mike Trout is now on paternity leave - article linked here - I am wishing the Trouts well.
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PostPosted: Sat 8/1/20 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Losing three of four at home vs. the Mariners wasn't the Angels' idea of recovering from the series in Oakland, but now we're going to watch for the Halos in this next series at home as they take on the Astros. They lost last night's opener, but tonight's game will feature Griffing Canning on the mound for the Halos facing one of our least favorite ex-Dodgers--Zack.
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PostPosted: Mon 8/3/20 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found out the Angels have called up Jo Adell.
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PostPosted: Mon 8/3/20 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that update! They lost the home series to the Astros this weekend. Sad
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PostPosted: Wed 8/5/20 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posting my congratulations to the Trouts.
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PostPosted: Sat 8/8/20 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy 29th birthday, Mike Trout! He homered on his birthday for the fifth consecutive year! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 8/12/20 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anything, the Angels have been consistently inconsistent. After taking the series in Seattle last week, they traveled on to Texas, where the Rangers swept them. Returning home to Anaheim, in came the streaking hot Athletics, who only ran into a brick wall as the Angels won the first two games of that series.
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PostPosted: Mon 8/17/20 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't envy Joe Maddon at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue 8/18/20 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right? Smile After suffering a three-game sweep at home to the Dodgers, the Halos found someone they could beat--the Battery Chuckers! Very Happy

Yep, the Obnoxious Orange made its way to Anaheim. For the Angels, Mike Trout became the first player to reach the 10-home run mark last night (although I'm sure it will be pointed out that he was passed up by a Padre later in the evening!) Laughing And at least they got an exciting come-from-behind win out of the meeting, with Tommy La Stella clubbing the first walk-off home run of his career for a 7-6 victory.

The Angels are so hurting for pitching that there's been talk of calling up their first round pick, LHP Reid Detmers, who's been training at their alternate site in Long Beach.
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PostPosted: Mon 8/24/20 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at this point it's hard to find any silver linings for the Angels other than their superstar centerfielder. After winning the first of a four-game set against the Jints last week, they proceeded to lose the next three, and then a series to their AL Norcal counterparts, the division-leading Athletics, as well. Jo Adell continues to struggle.

At the halfway point of the season, they hold down last place in the AL West at 9-20, trail first place Oakland by 11 games, and are one of only three teams in the majors to still register single digits in numbers of wins.
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PostPosted: Tue 8/25/20 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe should be glad this season is only 60 games long!
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PostPosted: Sun 8/30/20 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although the Angels have won two of three games at home this weekend over the Mariners (with one still to play tomorrow), the dismal season continues for them as bright spots are few and far between. With a 12-23 record, they sit in last place in the AL West with the worst winning percentage in the league (only the Pirates are worse in the majors).

From the L.A. Times:

"Too Late for Billy Eppler? Woeful Pitching, Rough Tenure has Angels GM on Thin Ice"

By MARIA TORRES, MIKE DIGIOVANNA
AUG. 27, 20205:26 PM

Right in the middle of another lost season, Angels manager Joe Maddon asked Mike Trout to lead off the second game of a doubleheader.

Trout had just extended a slump to 0-for-15. The Angels, fresh off their 22nd defeat in this 60-game season, stood to lose nothing from a shakeup.

“I just thought the rearranging of the deck chairs might help,” Maddon said Tuesday after the Angels secured their third victory in 13 games.

But changing Trout’s position in the batting order seems as futile as moving furniture on a sinking ship. Unless the Angels solved their pitching woes during the two-day break provided by Hurricane Laura’s impact on the Gulf Coast, the outlook for the second half of the season will continue to be bleak.

General manager Billy Eppler entered this season as a lame duck, feeling pressure to field a contender in the last year of his contract. Now Monday’s trade deadline is approaching and the Angels aren’t buyers.

Again.

Eppler will spend the next few days fielding calls and trying to ensure the long-term viability of the team. All while coming to grips with the probability that nothing he does will save his job.

“I just try to approach everything with a vision of how to continue to keep this organization well-positioned,” he said by phone Wednesday. “Control the controllable and do your job. Try to keep it simple. Start thinking about too much, then you get caught up in the fog.”

Angels owner Arte Moreno declared vaguely in February, before the coronavirus outbreak struck the U.S., that Eppler had to satisfy “a lot of pieces” to receive a new deal. Then Moreno specified one thing: “As a group, we need to win.”

Eppler, hired in October 2015, has never celebrated a winning record in Anaheim — or even a .500 finish. Barring a miracle, Trout and the Angels will miss the postseason for a sixth year despite an expanded playoff field.

How is that possible?

Eppler did not address the Angels’ biggest weakness — starting pitching — with a long-term solution last winter. Rather than commit $80 million over four years to former Dodger Hyun-Jin Ryu or take a $55.5-million, three-year chance on former Cy Young award winner Dallas Keuchel, Eppler traded four minor leaguers to the Baltimore Orioles for two years of former first-rounder Dylan Bundy. A few weeks later, he made a high-risk, low-cost deal with free-agent Julio Teheran (one-year, $9 million).

Thwarted in their attempts to lure free-agent ace Gerrit Cole, the Angels hoped the addition of slugger Anthony Rendon to a lineup that included Trout and Shohei Ohtani would provide enough offense to compensate for their pitching deficiencies.

Not so. The offense has been spotty. Hitters have generated power with 46 homers, the sixth-most in baseball, but they are roughly league-average in other major categories.

And their .241 average with runners in scoring position isn’t enough to compensate for a pitching staff that entered Thursday ranked 28th in baseball with a 5.41 ERA.

The resurgence of Bundy, whose 1.3 wins above replacement ranks 12th among all pitchers, is overshadowed by the lackluster performances of youngsters Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval, Jose Suarez and veterans Teheran and Andrew Heaney. Two-way player Ohtani was expected to stabilize the rotation but a forearm injury after two starts relegated him to designated hitter for the rest of the season.

Injuries to key players have marred Eppler’s tenure in Anaheim. So have the overdose death of Tyler Skaggs and a score of free-agent busts. In the latter category: pitchers Matt Harvey ($11 million), Trevor Cahill ($9 million) and Cody Allen ($8.5 million), and infielder Zack Cozart (three years, $38 million).

“With free agency, you know that if you enter into the one-year domain, you’re playing with the deck stacked against you,” Eppler said. “That’s the reason they’re one-year deals. You’re sitting at a table at a game that doesn’t have as good of odds. That’s not specific to us. That’s everywhere.

“If you lay everything out, the one-year deals are just gonna have a lower hit rate.”

Then there is Justin Upton, whom Eppler acquired while the Angels were jockeying for a wild-card spot in late 2017. The outfielder in 2018 provided the power for which he was awarded a five-year, $106-million contract but injuries spoiled his follow-up. Now he’s in a platoon and batting .099 with a .392 OPS.

Eppler’s inability to sign or develop front-line starting pitchers combined with Moreno’s affinity for high-priced sluggers have left the Angels with a franchise-record payroll top heavy in position players (about $145 million, with $116 million for Trout, Rendon, Upton and Albert Pujols) and light on pitchers (about $32 million).

Eppler deserves credit for locking up Trout to a 12-year, $426.5-million contract in 2019, winning a high-stakes recruiting battle for Ohtani before 2018 and trading for Gold Glove shortstop Andrelton Simmons ahead of the 2016 season. The December 2016 trade for catcher Martin Maldonado produced a Gold Glove and the bargaining chip Eppler exchanged for Sandoval in July 2018.

He also acquired solid bullpen pieces such as Ty Buttrey, Hansel Robles and Felix Peña and position players Tommy La Stella and Brian Goodwin at low cost.

Eppler’s performance in the trade market probably won’t be enough to get him a new deal from Moreno.

Eppler’s challenge upon arrival in Anaheim was to replenish the minor leagues without sacrificing the team’s ability to pose a threat in the American League West. He got part of the way there, drafting the likes of Canning, Jo Adell and Reid Detmers. The progress of the farm system ultimately helped the Angels land Rendon and extend Trout, who lauded Eppler’s efforts on the day he signed his historic contract.

But Eppler’s ability to significantly improve the team’s present was limited.

“I took the path of not taking too many risks that could damage the club outlook for a lot of years in the future,” he said. “You see the models where they strip the club down to the foundation, but that wasn’t something we wanted do here. You also had to consider, at that moment in time, if we did that, what would that have signaled to Mike?”

This approach has left the Angels in a purgatorial loop. They behave as though they’re a few moves away from World Series contention — thus, the splurge on pricey hitters and refusal to embark on a total rebuild — but are nowhere close.

The method predates Eppler. Jerry Dipoto, under Moreno’s direction, signed Pujols to a 10-year, $240-million deal in December 2011 and outfielder Josh Hamilton to a five-year, $125-million deal the next winter. The moves forced the Angels to constantly scrimp on pitching.

Eppler inherited the mess. And if he’s not retained, his successor will inherit another.
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PostPosted: Fri 9/4/20 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While we were playing the Angels, they put their 2Bman David Fletcher on the IL with a sprained left ankle. I really like that guy.

Outfielder Taylor Ward was recalled.
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PostPosted: Sat 9/5/20 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do, too, and he's been having a great year.

On the other hand, I've found Shohei to be a huge disappointment, and I'm having no regrets the Dodgers didn't sign him when there was that bidding war. He was so exciting to watch in international ball, not so much in the American League.
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PostPosted: Sun 9/6/20 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't look now everyone but the Angels have won 3 games in a row! And that's against our "favorite team" from Houston! Exclamation

Just saw the update that they activated catcher Max Stassi from the IL and optioned catcher José Briceño.
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PostPosted: Mon 9/7/20 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not so quick there with Trout. He has company from south on I-5, in the home run leaders department!
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PostPosted: Wed 9/9/20 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever got into the Angels over the weekend--sweeping the Astros in a four-game set in Anaheim--their luck ran out afterward.
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The Angels begin a seven game homestand tomorrow night as both the Diamondbacks and Rangers visit Anaheim. They are returning from a road trip to Texas and Colorado, where they lost the series with the Rangers and won the series over the Rockies. In yesterday's victory, Albert Pujols reached another milestone as he worked his way into the top five on the list of all-time home run leaders, tying with Jints Hall of Famer Willie Mays for career home run #660. Only Henry Aaron and Babe Ruth, two legit Hall of Famers, and PEDs-tainted A-Rod and Bobby's Son, are ahead of Albert now.
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The Halos lost the mid week series at home to the Diamondbacks - what else is new. But I have to give a shout out to the rookie first baseman, Jared Walsh, who has been on fire lately. He's had an RBI and a run scored in every game for 9 games straight. Here's an article from the Angels home page.
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From the L.A. Times:

"Puzzling Lack of Direction From Owner Arte Moreno Makes Angels GM Role a Difficult Gig"


By BILL SHAIKIN, STAFF WRITER
SEP. 21, 2020 8:14 PM

You could build a team around Mike Trout, the best player in baseball. You could live by the Pacific Ocean. You could run a major-market team fairly free of major-market media scrutiny. You could work for an owner who burns to win and is not shy about spending on players.

On the surface, the job of Angels general manager should be one of the most coveted in baseball. There are only 30 jobs running major league teams. However, among a consensus of major league insiders, the perception of where the Angels job ranks among those 30 jobs is not high.

“To me, I would think it would have to be in the bottom third,” said one of seven people in the industry who spoke with The Times, which granted anonymity so comments could be offered freely.

The widely held belief around the majors is that these are the final days of Billy Eppler’s five-year run as the Angels’ general manager. Eppler inherited a barren farm system, a front office that had not yet embraced analytics, and a manager he did not choose, yet he presented a vision compelling enough that Shohei Ohtani chose to come to Anaheim and Trout chose to stay.

Still, his record is five losing records and an inability to assemble a competitive pitching staff. In this pandemic-shortened season, when more than half the teams will make the playoffs, the Angels almost certainly will not be one of them — despite a roster that includes Trout and Anthony Rendon, arguably two of the five best position players in the American League.

Trout made his debut nine years ago. He has yet to win a postseason game. He has played under three general managers, which leads insiders to wonder how much responsibility might rest with the owner who hired all three for the job.

“That’s not the job it should be,” one source said. “It should be a great job. It should be one of the easiest recruitment jobs in the game. Who doesn’t want to live there? To me, it’s one of the best locations in the world. But something is going on there that is cannibalizing what they’re doing.

“They fail every single year when it comes to putting a competitive team on the field. It can’t be just the general manager.”

Arte Moreno bought the Angels in 2003, seven months after the team won its only World Series championship. In his first move, he famously lowered the price of beer at Angel Stadium. More critically, he retained general manager Bill Stoneman and manager Mike Scioscia. In his first winter, Moreno charged into free agency and signed outfielder Vladimir Guerrero — the only player to enter the Hall of Fame wearing an Angels cap — and starting pitcher Bartolo Colon.

“I thought Arte was the best owner in the world when he came in,” one source said.

In Moreno’s first six full seasons as owner, the Angels won the American League West five times, the last time in 2009. That was the same year scouting director Eddie Bane delivered one of the most compelling draft classes of the modern era: Trout, outfielder Randal Grichuk, and pitchers Patrick Corbin, Garrett Richards, and the late Tyler Skaggs.

“When they ran their best, you had ownership, the manager and the general manager all on the same page,” one source said. “It was one and the same.”

As teams establish increasingly collaborative management structures, with the general manager or president of baseball operations at the center of power, the Angels run differently. Two of the three general managers that succeeded Stoneman — Tony Reagins and Jerry Dipoto — never got the chance to hire their own manager.

Dipoto resigned after running into what he believed were irreconcilable differences with Scioscia. Eppler waited out the final three years of Scioscia’s contract and hired Brad Ausmus as his manager, but one year later Moreno hired Joe Maddon.

Moreno developed a close relationship with Trout and his family, and he rewarded Trout with two contract extensions that cost close to half a billion dollars. However, Moreno also directed the unproductive acquisitions of Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols and Vernon Wells that also cost close to half a billion dollars.

The expenditures have not been as lavish in other areas. The Angels do not employ a president of baseball operations. At the start of this year, according to team media guides, the Angels employed 43 baseball operations staffers, the Dodgers 62.

“In scouting and player development, they have not done a very good job,” one source said. “That amount of investment, on a relative basis, is not that great.”

Said another: “It could be he wants to save money. Or it could be he’s lost confidence in the guy telling him what he needs to spend money on.”

Moreno, through a team spokesman, declined to comment for this story.

Other than Ohtani, whose development took place in Japan, the Angels have not had a player receive a single vote — even a third-place vote — for the AL Rookie of the Year award since 2014. Bane was fired in 2010. The Angels’ current top prospect, touted outfielder Jo Adell, made his major league debut last month.

“You can talk all you want about Adell,” one source said. “That should happen almost annually, where a guy comes up and impacts your roster. For them, it’s a story when a guy comes up and plays.”

Until this year, when no fans were allowed in the ballpark, the Angels had sold more than 3 million tickets in every year of Moreno’s ownership. Out of loyalty to those fans, Moreno has said, he does not want to tear down the team and rebuild it.

“When you have a constant mandate to win now, it’s hard to be process-driven,” one source said, “to take a longer-term, more stable view.”

The Angels and their fans already have lived that drought, when the late 1980s and much of the 1990s were devoted a constant, veteran-driven, and well-intentioned but ultimately futile effort to “win one for the Cowboy,” founding owner Gene Autry. In 1998, Autry died at 93; a home-grown core led the Angels to the World Series title four years later.

That source described these Angels as “star-driven” and these Dodgers as “process-driven.” As an example, in the first round of this year’s draft, each team picked a pitcher from Louisville. The Dodgers took the one with the higher ceiling, Bobby Miller. The Angels took the one most polished and most likely to help a pitching-strapped team sooner, Reid Detmers.

“I think pretty highly of Billy Eppler,” one source said. “I think people in the game believe that Billy did this the right way. It feels like Billy tried to bring a process-driven approach there.”

Said another: “You have to have autonomy to do the job. I don’t care where they go: analytics or traditional or whatever. Whoever has it has to have some kind of freedom to do baseball stuff. You can run it like Tampa Bay, or you can run it like the New York Yankees, but somebody has got to run it.”

If the Angels move on from Eppler, the industry consensus is that Moreno would pursue Dave Dombrowski, who won World Series championships with the Florida Marlins and Boston Red Sox. Eppler, Dipoto and Reagins all were first-time general managers.

“It’s probably going to take somebody who has been there and done that, being in a president type of role, to really deal with Arte,” one source said. “Somebody like Dave probably can corral him, and he would have good baseball people working with him.

“I love an owner who is interested and engaged. I think that’s important. But you also need their trust.”

In Anaheim, Dombrowski would not inherit the kind of deep farm system he did in Boston, which provided him with four top prospects to trade for Chris Sale and another four for Craig Kimbrel. And, although Dombrowski signed David Price and J.D. Martinez for a combined $327 million in Boston, Moreno first would have to consider the $570 million left on the Trout and Rendon contracts. Moreno might be more willing to spend on lesser players, and this might be the winter to do it.

“Any general manager who takes over this off-season, if Arte gives you the money, there will be contracts. It will be a flooded free agent market. I anticipate a ton of non-tenders,” a source said.

“And, in that regard, maybe Dave Dombrowski would be well positioned, because he knows how to build a big league roster. That’s an area he could exploit with an owner that’s willing to spend. They could sign some major league free agents at depressed prices, because the market is going to be flooded with pretty good veteran players.

“If you’re trying to look at a best-case scenario, that’s theirs.”

The nature of the job — one of 30 in the world — means Moreno would have no shortage of applicants if he lets Eppler go and does not get Dombrowski. The consensus that the job is not an optimal one is not unanimous. That Moreno is a fan first and an investor second could make the job attractive to
ome executives.

“Half the teams in baseball aren’t as interested in winning a World Series as they are in maintaining a good product on the field and keeping costs down,” one source said.

“Arte has spent money, and he is willing to spend money. He is very tough, but he is very competitive. In any situation, there are challenges you deal with outside of just the issues on the baseball field. You work through them. I think it would be a good job.”
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PostPosted: Sun 9/27/20 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although they had a bit of a hot streak over the last three weeks (prior to this weekend), the Halos have just finished a dismal mini-season at 26-34, eight games under .500, in fourth place in the AL West, trailing the division champion Athletics by ten games.

After just re-reading the last article I posted from the L.A. Times, I feel compelled to post that the Angels have announced today that GM Billy Epler will not return next season--although that and other replacements on the FO/managerial/coaching offseason merry-go-round will be discussed in another thread to be started.
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PostPosted: Mon 9/28/20 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was as I predicted since they still need to shore up their pitching. I like the way Griffin Canning is coming along but they need some solid veteran pitchers too. And whoever takes over for Eppler is going to have his work cut out for him. I'm sure this isn't what Joe Maddon had in mind but he had to work with what he was given and since it was such a short season he didn't have much time anyway. Better luck next year. Remember when it was the Angels holding all the cards and the Dodgers having none? It's been the other way around for a few years.
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