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PostPosted: Thu 4/1/21 10:09 pm    Post subject: Jints - Are They Relevant? Reply with quote

Another topic of discussion for the coming season is whether the NL West should be concerned about the Jints in 2021, and in particular, if the Dodgers should, given their long-standing rivalry with them. Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times thinks that although all the recent buzz has been about the Dodgers and Padres heating up, fans shouldn't overlook the fact that the history between these two teams might not be all played out.

Here's his column:

"Easy now, San Diego. The Giants Still Loom Large as the Dodgers’ Primary Rival"

By BILL SHAIKIN, STAFF WRITER
MARCH 26, 2021 5 AM PT

Back when San Diego had an NFL team, that team had a catchy jingle: “San Diego Super Chargers!” Based upon the hype of the past few months, it was almost if the town’s baseball team had changed its name to the San Diego Super Padres.

Blake Snell here, Yu Darvish there, Fernando Tatis Jr. everywhere. The Padres are trendy, exciting, and bloody good. They have staked their claim as the Dodgers’ primary rival in the National League West.

“That’s cute,” sniffed an employee of the San Francisco Giants.

Yes, the Padres ought to challenge the Dodgers’ ownership of the division. Yes, the Padres and Dodgers might be the two best teams in baseball.

But the Padres and their fans cannot just declare an enduring rivalry based on winning the winter. The Padres had a nice season last year. The Dodgers swept them out of the playoffs and won the World Series, something the Padres never have done.

The Dodgers and Giants transcend sports. In 1962 — seven years before the Padres were born — popular entertainer Danny Kaye recorded a charming song about the already storied rivalry between the Dodgers and Giants, name-dropping Sandy Koufax and Willie Mays, chronicling a fictional game between the “Bums” and the “Jints,” and playfully inventing the “Miller-Hiller-Haller Hallelujah Twist.”

In 2018, when Dianne Feinstein ran for re-election, her campaign staged a fundraiser in Los Angeles, with the cheeky theme that the teams did not agree on anything except Feinstein for Senate.

The Dodgers and Giants sent decorations and delegations, and the banter was all in good fun. Of course, the Giants had won the World Series three times that decade, and Feinstein is a former mayor of San Francisco. At one point, she was standing next to Giants President Larry Baer.

“She took the World Series ring off my finger,” Baer said, “and stuck it in Ron Cey’s face and said, ‘When are you going to get one of these?’ ”

The Giants are not about to surrender their identity as the Dodgers’ chief antagonist.

The rivalry has endured since the 19th century, when the Dodgers represented the New York City borough of Brooklyn against the Giants, from mighty Manhattan. The two teams moved to California in tandem, in 1958. There was a time when San Francisco was the mightiest city in California, but that time has long passed.

“L.A. blossomed into one of the great metropolises in the country,” Giants broadcaster Jon Miller said. “The Giants fans might have been a little jealous of all the attention L.A. was getting. So I think there were other things besides teams being in a pennant race.

“But I still think the root of a great rivalry has to do with battling each other in a pennant race.”

The Dodgers and Padres have finished in the top two places in standings three times — and, each time, both teams made the playoffs, killing the suspense. The Dodgers and Giants have finished in the top two places 12 times since moving to California, including seven times in this century alone.

“It’s about beating each other,” Baer said, “but the rivalry extends to knocking each other out.”

In 1951, with Mays on deck, Bobby Thomson hit “The Shot Heard ‘Round The World,” the home run that eliminated the Dodgers and sent the Giants to the World Series. In 1962, Mays scored the winning run in the sudden-death playoff that eliminated the Dodgers and sent the Giants to the World Series. It

In 1982, Joe Morgan hit the home run that knocked the Dodgers out of the playoffs. In 1993, with Mays and Thomson seated in his box at Dodger Stadium, Baer watched helplessly as the fourth-place Dodgers knocked the Giants out of the playoffs.

The Padres failed to finish higher than fourth place until 1984. By then, two generations of Southern California and Bay Area fans had invested in the legendary rivalry. In Los Angeles, the only Dodgers road series televised were the ones from San Francisco. In the Bay Area, Miller was among the Giants fans who grew up listening to the Dodgers, live from L.A. on KFI.

“At night, KFI would come into the Bay Area like a local station,” Miller said. “And, come September, when the two teams were in a pennant race — and they were in a pennant race a lot when I was a kid, in the sixties — the Giants would play mostly day games.

“So we would know how their game turned out, and then the Dodgers would play that night in L.A., and I would listen to Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett.”

Speedy Dodgers shortstop Maury Wills so tormented the Giants that they watered down the basepaths to slow him down.

Koufax, Hall of Famer, pitched to Mays, Hall of Famer. Don Drysdale, Hall of Famer, pitched to Willie McCovey, Hall of Famer.

Snell might pitch to Mookie Betts this season, and maybe his new employers let him complete the sixth inning.

Madison Bumgarner told Yasiel Puig not to look at him. Max Muncy told Bumgarner to go get it out of the ocean. Baer, the Giants’ president, still remembers where he was when Juan Marichal clobbered John Roseboro atop the head with a bat, in 1965.

“Driving with my parents,” Baer said, “on Highway 101.”

Fans need not remember where they were when the Padres’ Carlos Quentin charged Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke and broke his collarbone in 2013, a forgettable footnote in the careers of itinerant ballplayers. Greinke is on his sixth team. The Padres finished 16 games behind the Dodgers that year anyway.

Before Ned Colletti’s nine seasons as the Dodgers’ general manager, he spent 11 seasons in the Giants’ front office. He arrived in 1995, for the final years of decrepit Candlestick Park. He asked someone why the Giants could draw 50,000 fans for the Dodgers and 15,000 fans for just about every other opponent.

“A lot of people here hate baseball,” Colletti said he was told. “They hate the Dodgers more than they hate baseball.”

In 1999, before the final night game at Candlestick, Tommy Lasorda bathed in the boos. He had retired as Dodgers manager three years earlier, but the last word would be his. He egged on the crowd, then grabbed the microphone. “You hate yourselves,” Lasorda said, “because you love me.”

The rivalry is as much a part of California summers as the beach, but it nearly evaporated in 1992. Giants owner Bob Lurie had agreed to sell, in a deal in which the team would be moved to St. Petersburg, Fla. The league instead brokered a sale to Bay Area buyers, but only after a campaign to keep the team in San Francisco.

The person who put the most pressure on the league, according to Baer?
Peter O’Malley, then the Dodgers’ owner.

“It’s a rivalry, but there’s a lot of love there,” Baer said. “We wouldn’t be the same without them, and I don’t think they’d be the same without us.”

The chant is the same in San Diego as it is in San Francisco: Beat L.A.! In San Diego, traditionally, Dodgers fans drown out the cheer. In San Francisco, Giants fans would not dare let that happen.

Padres’ fans are primed for a big year, same as their team. There might come a time when Tatis Jr. is as integral to a history of the Dodgers as Mays was, but that time is not yet here.

“I think they’re going to be good for awhile, so I would not write them off as a one-year wonder by any stretch,” said Farhan Zaidi, the Giants’ president of baseball operations. “If they have that sustained run of being competitive like they’re set up to, that’s how rivalries form.”

If Zaidi can rebuild the Giants into a contender, the rest of the decade could be fun for California.

“We might get to the point where somebody has a Beat The Whole State chant,” he said. “Maybe we can have some common ground.”

The Dodgers and Giants have not always been good at the same time. For instance, from 1972-78, the Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds occupied the top two spots in the NL West every year.

“You’ll have teams that are good from year to year, but they’re interlopers in the rivalry between the Giants and the Dodgers,” Baer said. “There’s too much history there.”

Said Colletti: “I think it will always come back to the Giants. And, for the Giants, I think it will always come back to the Dodgers.”

It will. And, on April 9, we hope Feinstein’s staff puts the Dodgers on the office television, so the senator can see their players get one of those World Series rings.
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PostPosted: Sun 4/4/21 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got around to reading this. I am not sure how well "that team" will play this year. The Battery Chuckers have some new players and a couple of their aging stars from their championship years. He makes a good point Zaidi could have a lot to do with remaking that team. For right now all eyes are going to be on the Padres & Dodgers whether they like it or not. I did like the comment about "beat the whole state." Remember that teams from this state makes up 3/5 of the NL West division. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 4/5/21 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't Nancy know Penguin already got one of those? I hope he told her.
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PostPosted: Fri 5/21/21 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a good idea to re-read this one since at the time it was posted the season had not started yet.

First series of the season between the Jints & Dodgers will start tonight. They are in first place in the West but just barely, but still they've played very well the last couple of weeks. Just about the time the Dodgers were heating up. And the Padres were playing hot on their tail at the same time. I think the Jints wanted to make a statement like, don't replace us as their rivals so fast. We have a pretty good 3 way rivalry going.
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PostPosted: Sat 5/22/21 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good reason for a "bump."

The battery-chucking, water-hoarding, Obnoxious Orange team has been in first place for a few weeks, but their days may be numbered. The Dodgers' win in the first game of the series, combined with a Padre win, allowed San Diego to claim a stake of first place, with L.A. trailing by just a game.
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PostPosted: Tue 6/29/21 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am looking back at your post from over a month ago, DB. That obnoxious orange team is still in first place and people are still wondering if they have enough to play like they have been, in the second half. I was going to post before the series started between our teams. The Jints were the first team in MLB this year to get to 50 wins, over this last weekend. The Dodgers can get another game closer, with a win tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed 6/30/21 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know these are the only times I cheer for the Dodgers Twisted Evil but yes, the Battery Chuckers have been relevant for the first half, and I predict will not hang in there through the second half. I think they were playing above their heads. They have some very good players including their viejos, but I do not think they have enough in them to keep it going all season. Now I could be wrong of course, but both our teams are closing in on them now.
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PostPosted: Tue 7/13/21 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the All-Star break, and they're still in first place.
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PostPosted: Tue 7/13/21 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not just in first place in the NL West but they also have the best record in baseball. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed 9/8/21 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly two months after the last post was made in this thread, the Jints still have the best record in baseball and today, became the first team to record 90 wins in 2021.

Keep the pressure on, Dodgers! (The last comment is not posted as a reflection of today's games, but what our team needs to do over the next 20 days.)

And "thanks" (I say mockingly) to Dylan Hernández of the L.A. Times for this column, published last Sunday as the Dodgers played a weekend series in San Francisco.

"Column: Farhan Zaidi and the Giants Set to Have the Last Laugh Over Dodgers?

BY DYLAN HERNÁNDEZ, COLUMNIST
SEP. 5, 2021 4:30 AM PT
SAN FRANCISCO —

Three weeks into the season, noticing the San Francisco Giants were sneaking up on the Dodgers, I sent a text message to Farhan Zaidi.

“Dude,” I asked, “are you guys actually good?”

Zaidi responded, “You just want a good Dodger-trolling story, leave me alone.”

I imagined him giggling as he typed that. Because Zaidi is a giggler.

The MIT graduate was a giggler when he was second in line to Andrew Friedman with the Dodgers. He remains a giggler as the third-year president of baseball operations of the overachieving San Francisco Giants, who dropped back into a dead heat for first place in the National League West after a 6-1 defeat to his former team on Saturday night at Oracle Park.

Predictably, Zaidi giggled on his team’s bench at Oracle Park when I showed him our text exchange from April. He giggled when I told him he wouldn’t be taking a victory lap in this column, since the Dodgers were bound to overtake his team down the final stretch of the regular season.

His trademark laughter is why the Dodgers should be nervous, maybe not about this year, but about next year and several years after that.

The giggle is him not feeling threatened by what others say, do, or write. The giggle is confidence.

“The Dodgers have a great team,” Zaidi said. “It’s a team that has a lot of great talent. By the way, that’s the product of good scouting, good player development, good coaching, good management, good work by the front office. So anybody that tries to diminish what they’ve done because of payroll or anything else, that’s total nonsense. So, look, I have a ton of respect for them as an organization and as a team. You know, we can have respect for them and say these nice things about them but also try to compete with them, which is what we trying to do.”

He shifted his focus to his own team.

“We’ve exceeded expectations, even our own internal expectations, to this point,” Zaidi said, “but we thought we were going to be competitive.”

What does that mean? That he expected them to be a .500 team?

“No, be in a position to be competing for a playoff spot even at this point, whether it was a wild card or the division or whatever,” he said. “We talk a lot about playing meaningful games as late in the season as possible. So, we expected to do that.”

The industry also expected it, just not this quickly, not in the third year of a complete rebuild of one of baseball’s last old-school franchises.

The season before Zaidi was hired by the Giants, they were fourth in the NL West. The season before that, they were last.

Zaidi has transformed them into a team threatening to prevent the Dodgers from capturing their ninth consecutive division championship and he has done it without signing or trading for any superstars.

“They’re just balanced,” Dodgers outfielder Mookie Betts said.

The Giants entered Saturday as the NL leaders in home runs with 201, but without any player with more than 21. They have 10 players with 10 or more homers. Their roster is made up of resurgent veterans such as Buster Posey and Brandon Crawford, and former castoffs such as Mike Yastrzemski and Darin Ruf, who are to the Giants what Max Muncy and Chris Taylor are to the Dodgers.

The team’s Opening Day payroll was around $150 million, of which more than $90 million was earmarked for five players whom Zaidi inherited from the previous regime. The Giants have less than $40 million in salary commitments for next season, giving them the financial flexibility necessary to shop in the high end of a free-agent market that will include Corey Seager, Freddie Freeman, Carlos Correa, Javy Baez, Trevor Story, Marcus Semien and Max Scherzer.

Right now, the Dodgers still have an edge over the Giants in high-end talent; Zaidi will be able to close that gap over the winter.

“One way that I think the success we’ve had this season is going to impact us in the positive way is, I think, players around the game are seeing what’s happening in your team, reading about [manager Gabe Kapler] and the coaching staff, and reading our players comments on how they feel like they’ve helped them become better players in some cases,” Zaidi said. “That’s really attractive to free agents. They don’t want to just sign some somewhere where they want to be geographically. They want to sign with a competitive team and they want to sign to the team that they think is going to help them be the best version of themselves. And that’s become a much bigger part of the recruiting process than it was even five, 10 years ago.”

Which doesn’t mean the Giants are expecting to overhaul their roster entirely in the coming years. As part of a Dodgers front office that constructed teams that reached the World Series in 2017 and 2018, Zaidi said he gained an appreciation for the value of continuity.

Pointing to what players such as Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner have meant to the Dodgers, Zaidi said, “I think it just creates the stability for the organization, it creates an identity in the clubhouse, and it actually makes it easier to incorporate new players, whether coming up from the minor leagues or coming from outside the organization when they feel like there’s a stable group.”

The final month of the regular season won’t mark the end in the race between the Dodgers and Giants. The competition is just starting, with Zaidi promising to be giggling architect of the team that scares his former employers.
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PostPosted: Sat 9/25/21 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am never going to concede the NL West until the last out is made but credit due where credit is due. This team is the first this year to reach 100 wins in MLB and the Dodgers are right on their heels at 99.
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PostPosted: Wed 10/27/21 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, when it was all said and done, the Jints were more than relevant. They had their best season in franchise history.

And I'm happy to say they were eliminated in the first round of the postseason. Twisted Evil
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