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PostPosted: Fri 11/10/06 8:24 am    Post subject: There is no "There" There Reply with quote

There will be no MLB there, either.

Silicon Valley "A"s? Well, that sure rolls off the tongue.
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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps there IS a "there" there, in New York. The Mets' new ballpark will be named CitiField, thanks to its sponsorship by CitiCorp.

So now we'll have CitiField and Cisco Field.

Thank "heavens" for good old Dodger Stadium. Very Happy
And keep praying she retains her maiden name.
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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: There is no "there" there Reply with quote

dodgerblue6 wrote:
There will be no MLB there, either.

Silicon Valley "A"s? Well, that sure rolls off the tongue.


Or how about "Fremont A's?" Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgerblue6 wrote:
Thank "heavens" for good old Dodger Stadium.
And keep praying she retains her maiden name.

The linked story in your post said, "... according to reports which put the value of the naming rights at as much as $20 million annually."

If the Dodgers could add $20 million in revenue, and put it all into player payroll, I wouldn't care if Vin Scully started his broadcasts with "Hi, everybody, from Preparation H Stadium, and a very pleasant evening to you, wherever you may be."

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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but putting $20 into player payroll and becoming the laughingstock of everyone still doesn't guarantee a championship. You might be able to buy talent, but you can't put a price on heart.

And as you've noticed in recent years, payroll means very little when it comes to world championships. The All-Star Yankees with their huge payroll and high-caliber players at virtually every position have gotten where? One postseason win this year--no further than the Dodgers.

I'd hate to finish second or third in the division and still have to put up with "Prep H Stadium." A place so beautiful deserves a better moniker.
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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention, poor old Vinnie deserves more dignity than that. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 11/12/06 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not to mention, poor old Vinnie deserves more dignity than that. Smile
True that...
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PostPosted: Tue 4/28/09 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There still is no "there" there.

Last month, Commissioner Bud Selig determined that it is not feasible for the Athletics to continue playing in Oakland, and appointed a committee to analyze all ballpark proposals in an attempt to keep the team in the Bay Area.

While for the past two years the East Bay community of Fremont seemed to be the "A"s' future home, those plans were scrapped a couple of months ago, and San Jose, which has long been considered Giants' territory, is now most likely to woo the team--which would create an interesting quandary in terms of fan support.

Also, given that San Jose is the tenth-largest city in the U.S., the "A"s might, like the Angels, be considered as playing more in a city established in its own right, rather than playing in a suburb of a large city (see "Los Angeles Angels").
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PostPosted: Wed 4/29/09 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did not know that! would never have guessed, but I guess they have the Silicon Valley and all that industry to thank for it. It must have really grown a lot in the last 20 years or so. Oakland (the city, being one of the smaller cities in MLB) just cannot support a team on its own. I know they have some rabid fans, though, even if they are overshadowed by the Giants. I do also remember the Giants were almost going to move to San Jose, weren't they?
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PostPosted: Thu 4/30/09 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the early '90s they were going to move to "either" San Jose, or Tampa, until the new ownership group rescued the Giants and kept them in San Francisco.
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PostPosted: Mon 12/21/09 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

Giants' territorial rights claimed and concern expressed by City of San Francisco about Athletics' potential move to San Jose.

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The "A"s had hoped to move from Oakland to Fremont, Calif., but the global economic downturn and real estate market collapse led to the deal falling through in February. As a result, team officials asked MLB to step in. Selig appointed a three-person committee to analyze the team's options -- from building a new ballpark in Oakland to moving to San Jose or Fremont. The committee is expected to announce its decision early in 2010.

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PostPosted: Fri 11/11/11 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First update in this thread in nearly two years! Exclamation

And still they keep slicing into Jints territory! The Athletics have taken further steps to leave the East Bay for the Silicon Valley, as the San Jose City Council voted to give them a land purchase option.

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The resolution, decided by a 10-1 vote on Tuesday, extends to the A's exclusive rights to buy nearly five acres of downtown land near the San Jose Sharks' HP Pavilion for $6.9 million that are only to be utilized to build a ballpark.


Hey, Billy Beane: Hal David is wondering if you have Garmin! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 3/8/12 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest on this topic is that there still isn't much to say, other than that the Jints and "A"s are still bickering about territorial rights.

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The subject has been a hotly contested issue between the two San Francisco Bay Area clubs. The Giants claim they own the south Bay territory, including San Jose and all of Santa Clara County. The "A"s, who once possessed that part of the territory, do not.

In a statement of their own released later on Wednesday, the Giants contended that Santa Clara County is now essential to success in their market.

"The population of Santa Clara County alone represents 43 percent of our territory," the statement read. "Upon purchasing the team 20 years ago, our plan to revive the franchise relied heavily on targeting and solidifying our fan base in the largest and fastest growing county within our territory."

Therein lies the problem for both franchises. (Athletics owner Lew) Wolff reiterated in the telephone interview that he hadn't heard anything new about the situation from (Commissioner Bud) Selig.

"There's nothing either way," Wolff said. "We're just continuing to follow the process. Hopefully we'll hear something soon."

The San Jose market indeed once belonged to the "A"s, who ceded it to the Giants in the late 1980s. The Giants were trying to build a new ballpark in Santa Clara County, but the club lost two separate popular votes. The Giants have since self-funded their own successful ballpark on the waterfront in San Francisco that opened in 2000, but are still claiming San Jose as their territory. Accordingly they have succeeded in blocking the "A"s' move.

MLB has four two-team markets, but only the A's and Giants claim separate geographic territories within their own markets.

"MLB-recorded minutes clearly indicate that the Giants were granted Santa Clara, subject to relocating to the city of Santa Clara," Wolff said in the statement. "The granting of Santa Clara to the Giants was by agreement with the "A"s' late owner Walter Haas, who approved the request without compensation. The Giants were unable to obtain a vote to move and the return of Santa Clara to its original status was not formally accomplished.


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PostPosted: Fri 3/9/12 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts are, it would be a great move for the A's and will make more of a competition between the Giants and A's but of course the greedy Giants won't want to give any concessions.
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PostPosted: Fri 3/9/12 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. If you will notice, the map is peppered with cities that are homes to Internet companies. Oakland should use their clout (if they have any) on line, Lol.

I don't know that the 2 teams would be any more competitive. They are located close right now, I can't see them being any bigger rivals just because one of them moves down the road a bit.

I just wish the small market As well against the team we all love to hate.
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PostPosted: Fri 3/9/12 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto for me Forloveofthegame Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 3/10/12 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linda - Lol! at the David comment a few posts up. If I didn't post I know Harpo would wonder if anyone on this board had a sense of humor again!

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PostPosted: Sat 3/10/12 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy

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If I didn't post I know Harpo would wonder if anyone on this board had a sense of humor again!


I'm sure he already does!

I got a comment on that emailed from a (male) friend who occasionally reads the board. You are the second one to make note. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 3/11/12 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to work on finding some new posters who have a sense of humor. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun 3/11/12 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the reference to Beane but I didn't know what it meant.
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PostPosted: Sun 3/11/12 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the '60s there was a popular song written by Hal David, "Do you know the way to San Jose?" I just thought Beane might use a GPS navigator device to get his team there. (Ironically, much of the GPS navigation system software currently in use was developed in and around San Jose.) I thought it tied in handily.


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I did not realize the tie-in but I see now what you mean Laughing It is sad that so many things have to be explained to me out here in Iowa Exclamation Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue 5/15/12 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the L.A. Times:

BILL SHAIKIN / ON BASEBALL

"Bud Selig needs to take a stance on Athletics' stadium issue"

Baseball commissioner has been putting off a decision on whether the team can move from Oakland to a new facility in San Jose, which the San Francisco Giants claim as their territory. Selig has to settle the situation once and for all.


May 12, 2012, 4:00 p.m.

Of all the indignities visited upon Frank McCourt over the last couple years fan boycotts, pickets outside Dodger Stadium, "Frankrupt" T-shirts McCourt never had to pick up a copy of the Los Angeles Times and stare at a full-page advertisement in which fans demanded he mind his manners or sell the Dodgers.

But, hundreds of miles to the north, another fed-up fan base had its say last week. In a full-page ad in the Oakland Tribune, under the headline "An Open Letter to John Fisher, Majority Owner of the Oakland "A"s," Fisher was urged to commit to a new stadium in Oakland or sell the team to someone who would.

It has been three years and two months since Commissioner Bud Selig told the Athletics to stand down and let him handle their stadium dilemma. The fans have lost patience. The "A"s have lost patience.

The perception is that the franchise rots while Selig fiddles. The reality is that the eternally patient Selig has lost patience too.

Baseball's owners gather this week in New York, with the Dodgers sold and McCourt gone. That leaves a resolution for the "A"s and their antagonists, the San Francisco Giants as perhaps the most pressing league issue.

The "A"s want to move to San Jose. The Giants claim San Jose as their territory and want the "A"s to stay in Oakland. The "A"s say they long ago exhausted their options for a new ballpark in Oakland.

Selig is in his third decade as commissioner because he forges consensus among the owners. He appointed a task force as his fact-finders, then hoped he could sit down with the "A"s and Giants and lead the teams toward a solution.

The "A"s say a San Jose ballpark would revitalize their franchise, while moving 35 miles farther from San Francisco. The Giants say their rights to San Jose should be enforced because their business model depends on revenue from fans and businesses there.

"Everybody has a good story to sell," said a person who has spoken with Selig but is not authorized to discuss the issue. "No one wants to solve the problem."

The problem, understandably, has been distilled to a yes or no question: Should the "A"s be allowed to move to San Jose? The optimum solution is not a one-word answer but a multiple choice.

Take, for instance, what appears to be a logical solution let the "A"s move to San Jose, and compensate the Giants for any resulting financial damages.

If the "A"s had to pay the damages, how much better off would they be than if they could get a new ballpark in Oakland? And, if the "A"s started winning in San Jose, and if the Giants started losing, how would the effects of on-field performance be separated from the effects of the "A"s' move?

Selig has not abandoned the idea of a new ballpark in Oakland, even if the "A"s have. He is not convinced the money would be there, although he also is not convinced a new park in San Jose would be a done deal if he would just say yes to the "A"s. How long would he give either city to deliver?

There are broader issues in play for Oakland too. The "A"s, Raiders and NBA's Golden State Warriors all play on the same property. The Athletics are looking to San Jose, the Warriors are taking a look at San Francisco and the Raiders could be looking at Los Angeles. How hard should Oakland fight to keep its teams when pro sports might not be the best economic use of the property? Is there a role for baseball in that discussion?

In L.A., we spent years wondering how the Dodgers' saga could be resolved, so long as Selig insisted that McCourt sell the team and McCourt refused. McCourt eventually got a great deal to Selig's chagrin and agreed to sell.

In the Bay Area, Selig apparently has yet to hear a sufficiently creative solution a win-win, if you will from the "A"s or Giants.

"No one has had the guts to do that," said the person who has spoken with him.

It is past time for Selig to do that, to make a decision, to impose a solution.

He has good reason to be wary, and not just of angering the "A"s and/or Giants, or of setting a precedent that could offend other owners. No matter how he rules, he could find himself a defendant in court, perhaps fighting off a challenge to baseball's antitrust exemption.

The advertisement in the Oakland Tribune closed by telling A's ownership: "The time has come to do the right thing." We would say the

time has come for Selig to decide the right thing, then just do it.

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PostPosted: Mon 9/17/12 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And four months after Bill Shaikin's last article on this topic, here is his latest...from yesterday's L.A. Times:

BILL SHAIKIN /ON BASEBALL

"Oakland 'A's Rise, While New Ballpark Stalls"

Commissioner still hasn't ruled on team's proposed move to San Jose

September 15, 2012|By Bill Shaikin

It's not Moneyball, but the "A"s have thrived this season. Now all they need is a new stadium.

This is absurdity on so many levels: The Oakland Athletics will start selling playoff tickets Monday.

Tickets start at $10.

You can't get into Angel Stadium for $10 during the regular season, even for a crummy mid-week game against the Cleveland Indians, at least based on the prices posted on the team website.

Think back to how the teams did business last winter. The Angels threw a third of a billion dollars at Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson. The "A"s traded perhaps their three best pitchers Gio Gonzalez, Trevor Cahill and closer Andrew Bailey none of whom were older than 27.

The Angels were playing to win now. The "A"s were playing to win later that is, to stockpile prospects for the new ballpark in San Jose, with the anticipation that Commissioner Bud Selig finally would approve the move from Oakland.

A funny thing happened on the way to San Jose. The Angels are just about eliminated from contention for the division title, and they might not get into the playoffs at all. The "A"s have a better pitching staff this season than last, and a better record than every team in the American League except the Texas Rangers.

The "A"s' fans, beaten down for so long by the ghosts of "Moneyball," the perpetual departure of top players and the eternal wait for deliverance of a new ballpark, even rewarded the team with a rare sellout Friday.

This is where what could be a pretty nice story could turn pretty ugly.

In a season in which so much has gone so right for the Athletics pitcher Brandon McCarthy nearly gets killed by a line drive, then comes out of surgery cracking jokes despite a cracked skull the Hollywood ending would have Selig attending their playoff opener and putting on a San Jose "A"s cap. Good team, new ballpark, done deal.

That ain't going to happen. But something could happen, and soon.

It has been three years and six months since Selig said he would decide if the "A"s could move to San Jose. The "A"s have waited for Selig to say yes, to approve the new ballpark that they say would revitalize their franchise, in what they call the best available spot in the Bay Area. The Giants have waited for Selig to say no, to uphold the territorial rights that would force the "A"s to stay out of San Jose and build their new ballpark in or near Oakland.

Selig has waited for the Athletics and Giants to forge a compromise. That ain't going to happen, either.

There are indications Selig might rule by the end of the year. Yet, rather than say yes or no, Selig appears to be considering a ruling that could challenge both the "A"s and Giants to fulfill certain criteria.

"I think there will be an effort to be Solomonesque," said someone who has spoken with Selig but declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue. "This is not a 'yes or no' sort of thing."

The status quo works just fine for the Giants, but it is corroding the "A"s.

Lew Wolff, Oakland's owner, won't say much about the process. But he will say this: If Selig puts conditions on his ruling that require a year or so to fulfill, the waiting game is over.

"That would be a no," Wolff said. "They might as well just tell us no."

For instance, the burden could be put on the "A"s to guarantee their financial projections. If they move to San Jose, pay to build the ballpark, and come off baseball's welfare system of revenue sharing, how can the "A"s ensure the long-term sustainability of a championship-caliber club?

As Selig and his lieutenants learned the hard way in their bruising battle to oust Frank McCourt, cash is the best guarantee. Wolff might have to try to tap deeper into the pockets of the majority owners the Fisher family, the founders of the Gap and Cisco, the company that has committed to buy naming rights for the new ballpark.

It is unclear what kind of time frame Selig might have in mind, or what conditions he might consider imposing upon the Giants. It also is unclear how Selig might rule on Oakland, where Wolff says there are no viable sites for a new ballpark. Selig apparently believes otherwise, but city funding has all but disappeared with the extinction of redevelopment agencies, and Wolff has committed no McCourtian sins that would compel the commissioner to push for a sale of the team.

The wild card is legal action by the Athletics or Giants, by Oakland or San Jose, or by third parties that could stall the issue in court for years. If the "A"s and Giants meet in the World Series, Selig might be better off letting the teams play for the championship, and for the rights to San Jose.

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PostPosted: Thu 2/21/13 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Five months later, there's an update:

Major League Baseball has provided guidelines for a potential move.
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PostPosted: Mon 7/1/13 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to catch up on some topics on which I've gotten behind in recent weeks:

On the need for a new ballpark for the "A"s.
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So, as the "A"s head into the postseason and the Jints stay home, here's the reality on what happens next regardless of how they fare.

From the L.A. Times:

"Homecoming Blues"

This might be the most awkward story line of the postseason: The Oakland Athletics have no place to play next year.

Their Oakland Coliseum lease expires after the season. As of now, the "A"s have no lease for next season and no contingency agreement to play elsewhere.

The "A"s and Coliseum officials are negotiating a five-year extension, with three one-year options. Neither the team nor the league appears concerned the deal might collapse, although we can imagine how heartily the San Francisco Giants would laugh if the "A"s asked to share AT&T Park.

The Giants have succeeded in keeping the "A"s out of San Jose, at least so far. If the "A"s get that Coliseum extension, the San Jose move they announced in 2009 would not take place until 2019 at the earliest. The never-say-quit Bartolo Colon would turn 46 that year.
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PostPosted: Mon 9/30/13 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go A's wherever you end up playing - maybe winning something this year will force them to find you a (better) home! I think they must be the last team that shares a football stadium.
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PostPosted: Mon 10/14/13 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A U.S. district judge has dismissed several claims in a lawsuit by the City of San Jose which alleged that antitrust laws had been violated.
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PostPosted: Tue 11/12/13 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to "A"s owner Lew Wolff, the team will extend its lease at the Coliseum, although this has not officially taken place yet.
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