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dodgerblue6



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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 7:26 pm    Post subject: From LA to LA Reply with quote

No, this isn't about the Dodgers and the Angels. Laughing

I know other MLB teams are involved in similar efforts. Just wondering if any of you have participated.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050831&content_id=1191585&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la
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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A nice jesture by the Dodgers as I'm sure many teams, if not all, will do their part too.

I do have a big problem with getting something for donating. Donations should be from one's heart. It's a nice jesture to give tickets as a effort to get people to donate but I'd much rather see the team use those tickets as a charity sponsor to kids who are ill or use them in a raffle to make more money for the effort..............I read somewhere the Dodgers gave out some 500 tickets to those who donated. Now don't get me wrong, that is a very nice thing to do but donating should come from the heart and we should not expect something in return...........I hate to hear "what do I get out of this".well, ya get that good feeling you helped someone, who may in turn help YOU someday. Just my two cents.
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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.

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I read somewhere the Dodgers gave out some 500 tickets to those who donated.


I'm guessing you read it right here in the link. Well, according to this article, those who donated didn't know they were going to get anything so it was a surprise.
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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do agree that people should donate out of the kindness of their hearts, and not only because they are getting something in return. However, donations are such a necessity right now that if giving people tickets in return for donating encourages them to do something, so be it. Some people donate to Salvation Army mainly because it's tax deductible, but when a problem is this severe, what matters most is that they are donating in the first place.
From the article, it sounds like the people donating didn't know until they reached the stadium that tickets would be given out. But whether they knew or not, what matters is that there was a massive turnout, and a lot of donations made.
And I'm surprised that food and clothing donations were also accepted, because generally the Red Cross will only accept money.


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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some people donate to Salvation Army mainly because it's tax deductible, but when a problem is this severe, what matters most is that they are donating in the first place.


That's something else I thought about (not that I want to get on a tangent), but I do hear people say sometimes that "I'll get a write-off if I do (this, that, etc.)." I don't like that, either.

I think the Dodgers made a nice gesture, but it shouldn't be (and clearly, it wasn't) necessary.
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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgerblue6 wrote:
That's something else I thought about (not that I want to get on a tangent), but I do hear people say sometimes that "I'll get a write-off if I do (this, that, etc.)." I don't like that, either.


In most cases, that doesn't sit too well with me, either. But at this point, any little bit helps. If someone donates to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, I'm not going to be the Kindness Police and get on them for doing it to get something back. But I do see the point of both you and Francine.
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PostPosted: Thu 9/1/05 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, you're right! Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound so bad. Any donation helps in any cause, and especially in this one.
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PostPosted: Fri 9/2/05 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's okay, no problem. Smile In most day-to-day situations, I would feel the same way about people giving only to get something back.
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PostPosted: Fri 9/2/05 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand those who got the tickets did not know they were getting them. And it is a very nice jesture by the Dodgers to give those tickets out as well but I remember when 9/11 hit us and so many people were selling t shirts and bumper stickers and making money off it. They all said the proceeds will go to victims families, so to me it was like "make a donation, you get a t shirt and I make money...........America. Only in America can one make money off the most horrific tragedy.

I know Nelson Figuroa of the Phillies made shirts and sold them for charity through MLB...............now that is different. That was ligit, he used his status as a major leaguer to sell shirts and I do belive all the money went to the victims. I'm talking the guy who confronts you from the trunk of his car Rolling Eyes ............I think you get the point.
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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think this is a good idea, simply because you get people to donate who otherwise would not. Yes, it would be nice to think that everyone would do this out of the generosity of their hearts. The reality is that not everyone will and that those who will give without a "prize" are going to do so anyway. By putting the "carrot" out there, you get those not so generous folks, who want something in return, but the person receiving the help has no idea which of those two people donated. In the end...it doesn't matter the motivation of those who gave. If you can get more resources by doing so, I think it's a great idea. You may not want to be friends with one of those folks, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with working to get as much aid as possible, and if this works and broadens the support. I'm all for it.

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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me, but I have to vent.............

Today at work, this man comes to the courtesy desk and asks for Poland Spring water 24 pk that is on sale. We are ou but substituing Deer Park water (the deer park they sent us has a bonus 4 bottles too) he didn't want deer park..........he wanted poland spring. He complained we didn't have it yesterday or today..so I offered him a rain check. He didn't want the rain check, he wanted poland spring! I told him alot of people were buying it yesterday to donate to the hurricane relief. Do you know what the JERK said? "That's not MY problem" and demanded a manager. When the manager came he hounded him and told him we had poland spring (with the sports cap, bigger bottle so higher priced) that he wanted for 4.99, the price of the smaller bottles...............the ass got his way too Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also had one woman blame President Bush.................how in the world can you BLAME someone for the conditions in the hurricane stricken area.........?

How fast can people work? I honestly feel this country and the people working directly with the efforts are doing an exceptional job. Everyone has been working around the clock and going above and beyone to relocate these people. If they have so much to say, go down and volunteer your time......see how easy it is........ Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's unbelieveable where some people will place the blame or what kind of excuses they'll come up with to make things okay in their minds.
I read in a discussion board for one of my online classes that when a reporter was asking a looter why they were stealing things, the looter's excuse was that since the police weren't really doing anything about it, it must be okay! Rolling Eyes
And of course there are the people that are shooting at rescue helicopters, and I just read in the L.A. Daily News this morning that there was an evacuation bus that crashed because one of the passengers allegedly got into a physical altercation with the driver. One person died, and seventeen were injured.
I realize these people are desperate, but attacking rescuers, starting fires, and stealing electronics?! It's one thing to break into a store and get food and diapers, but come on now. I just heard yesterday that Marshall Law was declared on NO, so the National Guard can shoot looters on site (except of course for ones that are getting necessities to survive).
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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we allowed to talk politics here? I want to address the President Bush comment. The allegation is that it has been known for quite some time that a disaster just like this might be in the making for New Orleans....but it was not addressed. The preparations to prevent such massive destruction were not funded....or promoted...but ignored. Our forces are fighting to make other places better (maybe) yet we don't have the resources to take care of what was a known eventual probability of disaster in the United States.....

That is where the administration comes into play.

Now...I have no idea whether this was something that could or should have been handled by Congress, but I do know that it was apparently not a priority of the Bush Administration. I could find the link but I'd like not to make this a political discussion, because the reality is that it did happen and now we just need to all focus on making it right.

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PostPosted: Sat 9/3/05 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edited.........nevermind, I don't want to talk politics,lol sorry I brought it up.
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PostPosted: Mon 3/8/10 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was going back to some old forums and threads looking for one about TV and/or our TV watching habits, favorite shows, what we can't live with or without, etc...I saw this the first forum listed on my computer.

Some of the boards I belonged to had a forum for politics. They didn't allow personal attacks or bashing as may be suspected. There may be one but I haven't explored that far yet.

I like to talk politics somewhat but not too deep. I listen to Rush, Hannity, and Glen Beck whenever I am in the truck and on the road. If anyone wants to talk I am willing. That is if DB6 doesn't mind a political discussion going on in an appropriate place.

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PostPosted: Wed 3/10/10 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As per the board guidelines, I would prefer not to get involved with politics unless they have to do with baseball. Cathy and I discussed that when she came on, and she said she was okay with whatever was required to maintain peace. We don't want to come down with a heavy hand and say it's altogether forbidden. For example, on the old Baseball Chicks board, there was a lot of heated discussion following 9/11, and what were you going to do? Ignore it as if it never happened? Well, there are some OT subjects that are impossible to avoid discussing.

If you feel you must, go ahead and do so...but I have seen a lot of what posters took as personal attacks based on political beliefs, even though they may not have been intended that way. There was also one person who was an intelligent and thoughtful poster as far as baseball went, but said some very controversial things about other issues that were taken personally. (Of course, she is no longer here after spewing a lot of negative stuff.) It often seems that the more "hot topic" a subject is considered, the more hysteria there is that generally follows--at least on some talk shows. I can't stand it when they misrepresent facts--I once decided to count how many false statements I heard in an hour and got up to 10 that I could verify by several sources as untrue. But then what do I know, the masses that feed off these ravings gobble them up as truth. (I'm not saying that's you, RDR; I know you better.)

I listen to Ed Schultz daily but I usually contain my comments about his show to forums for his fans. I used to listen to Randi Rhodes, but she always encouraged listeners to do their own research and not just take what they heard on her show as the gospel truth without backing it up.

I don't think you would be an unreasonable poster in political discussions. You are pretty level-headed even when I don't agree with you. We have disagreed in the past and were able to remain civil. But I don't know enough about some of the others here. It seems we get heated enough just about our teams and defending our players. I wouldn't want to lose any posters because of a non-baseball issue.

I guess I've said enough now. Smile If you decide to, please start gently, and I would ask that anyone involved be willing to actually listen to the arguments on the other side, rather than just respond to the push-button statements and rhetoric.
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PostPosted: Sun 3/14/10 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a prob. I was just asking if there was a political forum here. There are other places I can go to talk current events.
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PostPosted: Mon 3/15/10 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if that sounded like a disclaimer, LOL. I just find sometimes you have to tread carefully on these forums. Anyway, there has not been an established political forum, thus far.
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