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PostPosted: Tue 6/8/21 9:43 pm    Post subject: "Spin Doctors" Reply with quote

Oh, the talk about spin rates and which team benefits most!

According to Sports Illustrated, it's the Dodgers, with Trevor being the most suspected of "doctoring" baseballs.
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PostPosted: Wed 6/9/21 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gerrit was on the hot seat, too.
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PostPosted: Tue 6/15/21 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust you ladies saw the article in the Union-Tribune, right?

Today Major League Baseball handed down new guidelines on foreign substance use - article linked here


I have heard many pitchers are upset that this happened in the middle of the season.
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PostPosted: Wed 6/16/21 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is so much the talk of baseball anymore! I think some pitchers are upset that they're cracking down more on this than they did with the Astros' sign-stealing scandal, which resulted in no suspensions.
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PostPosted: Thu 6/17/21 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per Houston Mitchell's (L.A. Times) Dodgers newsletter:

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So, many of you have emailed me to explain the whole spin rate/foreign substances controversy. While a book could be written about the subject (and probably will) and while our own Jorge Castillo wrote about it recently here, let's delve into it a bit.

MLB actually defines spin rate for us: A pitcher's spin rate represents the rate of spin on a baseball after it is released. It is measured in revolutions per minute. The amount of spin on a pitch changes its trajectory. The same pitch thrown at the same velocity will end up in a different place depending on how much it spins.

So, the more spin the better. Fastballs with a high spin rate won't sink as much, which is why batters are swinging under fastballs so much. And a great way to get more spin on the ball is to use something sticky to help you grip the ball better (remember Jay Howell using pine tar to better grip the ball during the NLCS against the Mets in 1988?).

A substance that appears to be popular with pitchers is called Spider Tack. Trevor Bauer once estimated that 70% of major league pitchers use an illegal substance. Yankees ace Gerrit Cole was asked recently if he uses Spider Tack. His answer: "I don't, I don't know, I don't quite know how to answer that, to be honest. There are customs and practices that have been passed down from older players to younger players, from the last generation of players to this generation of players, and I think there are some things that are certainly out of bounds in that regard. This is important to a lot of people who love the game, including the players in this room, including fans, including teams, so if MLB wants to legislate some more stuff, that's a conversation that we can have. Because ultimately we should all be pulling in the same direction on this."

Spider Tack is available on Amazon and is used mainly be weightlifters. If you ever watch "World's Strongest Man" competitions, it was specifically designed for help with the Atlas Stones competition. It is so sticky it usually takes baby oil or WD-40 to get it off your fingers. And, it's easy to hide. The Athletic had a former major league pitcher throw a ball with and without using Spider Tack. With it, the spin rate increased by 500 rpm. And baseball has noticed and is cracking down, telling teams that it plans to begin enforcing the rules against pitchers using illegal substances to doctor baseballs for increased spin rates.

And since that announcement, guess what has happened. Batting averages are up, spin rates are down. It would probably be unfair of me to point out that since the crackdown was announced, Bauer has given up seven earned runs in 12.1 innings (5.11 ERA), 15 hits and six walks, while striking out 15. And if I did point it out, it would be important to note that it is an extremely small sample size, but it is worth keeping an eye on.

So there's what you need to know about illegal substances, in a nutshell.

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PostPosted: Sat 6/19/21 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure if you saw Joe Musgrove's comments on it in the U-T.
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PostPosted: Mon 6/21/21 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I did. I'll update this more later.
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PostPosted: Tue 6/22/21 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enforcement by umpires started yesterday and began with Jacob deGrom, the Mets ace who was pitching against the Braves. Nothing was found. So far as I now he was never one mentioned as being suspected though.
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